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Nil illegitimi carborundum : Don’t let the bastards grind you down
11/07/08
Visitors from the LDS Church!
“I’ll get the door”, I shouted up to Meredith when I heard them knocking on the door. It was a little too late as she started to come down and told me that we had visitors of the evil kind, missionaries from the Moron church just down the street. I decided that it would be my opportunity to mess with these people’s heads and to earn this house the status of one that the Morons would not visit again, ever. I told them that I don’t see that if their god believed transsexuality and homosexuality were so bad, that so many people are gay/trans and they can live happy lives as who they are, as long as they don’t try to deny it and make themselves neurotic. I also talked on an instance when one of the Moron prophets tried to talk someone out of transition and they were completely unaffected by it. They continued to try to conflate homosexuality with lying and stealing, which I tried to correct them on – as homosexuality does not hurt anyone. Appearantly, I need to re-read Betty Berzon’s Setting them Straight so I can get better at confronting these assholes with the latent homophobia. But I have a fortnight to do it in. ^_^
At the end of our visit, they handed me a copy of the Book of Moron with their phone number in it. As soon as they were far enough away from the porch and as soon as I closed the door, I burst out laughing. I talked with Meredith about the encounter and they are going to be back in two weeks so I can mess with their heads again. And I assure you, I plan to come on full-force, challenging them about their cult, their horribly incorrect beliefs about homosexuality and the entire idea of Christianity. And of course, I plan to read their Book of Moron in a week (hey, I take public transit a lot so I have a lot of time on my hands) and attack that as well. In one fortnight, I will know whether or not I can attack them badly enough to actually get them to spread the word not to come to our house. After all, I don’t want to just ask them to stop coming by our house – I want to earn it through my own merit, or my own agency if you will (lol!).
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Good luck with getting through the Book of Moron. If you read it during your commute, you’d do best to remain standing, otherwise the other passengers will be nudging you to quit snoring. Yes, it’s that bad.
I will second Volly’s comment. I tried reading the Book of Mormon but could not do it because it is so poorly written. I stopped when I read the phrase, “I smote his head off.” You would think the book was written by a semi-literate hillbilly trying to imitate King James English rather than dictated by the Lord God Almighty, creator of the universe. Oh, wait. Never mind.
Good luck.
Thanks, I gave up already because it is such a hard read. Like you said, it was by a semi-literate hillbilly who tried imitating King James English. It does make a nice coaster, though.
I’m sorry that you feel the way you do, and that you’ve been hurt by members who don’t truly understand what it means to have the pure love of Christ for others……I sense the anger and hurt. What I don’t understand is your attacking the Book of Mormon, especially if your not willing to read it or pray about it. I respect your right not to read it, but without taking the time to study it and pray about it how can you knock it. You judge members of the church for their intolerance and lack of understanding in regards to transexuality and homosexuality…yet that’s the exact thing you’re doing in regards to my religion….That’s the problem with all hyporcits whether they be of the religious kind or gay kind….I try not to judge books by their covers just like I try to do the same thing with people….if more people did that this world would be much more pleasant. In regards to the Missionaries….they are just young men trying to serve God. They aren’t out there to judge you just share a message and you talk about messing with their heads….I’m sorry but you don’t sound any better then the ignorant people out there who judge you for your lifestyle…..
Debbie,
I do not attack the Book of Mormon more than I attack the Christian Bible or Scientology’s Dianetics or Science of Survival. It’s all rampant bullshit written for the purpose of bilking people out of money. Unfortunately, the Mormon enterprise (yes, it is an enterprise, like every other religion and I am not going to grant it kindness it does not deserve) goes further than just selling people a fairy tale. It encourages it’s members to deny people who do not fit into their narrow beliefs equal rights.
I am not a hypocrite just because I choose to judge the LDS cult based on it’s merits and works. If you are opposed to what I am saying, write a letter to President Monson letting him know that what he did with Proposition 8 is wrong. Speak out during a church service about what he has done wrong. But for fuck’s sake, do NOT act like one of the sheeples of Joseph Smith and call me a hypocrite. The Mormons believe in some really crazy shit, are historically racist and are an extremist group.
And furthermore, being transsexual is not a lifestyle. GOLFING is a lifestyle. ANTIQUING is a lifestyle. PLAYING BRIDGE is a lifestyle. Transsexuality is a medical condition. Grow a brain, Debbie and come out of the Mormon cult.
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Oh Jessica, the point is that you are angry that the members of our church voted against something that attacked what we BELIEVE in…the SANCTITY of marriage. Bytheway I remember your support of someone who said something to the fact that religion should be done away with. Well then that would mean doing away with marriage period. I mean after all isn’t marriage a BIG religious issue. It’s not about anyone saying you shouldn’t be able to have the same rights in a relationship, it’s about the sanctity of marriage between a MAN AND A WOMAN and the religious beliefs associated with marriage. So if you do away with religion you need to do away with marriage too. It’s like you want your cake and want to be able to eat it too. This is about a difference in opinions more then anything and respecting others for what they truly BELIEVE. Do I think that you should be able to have a relationship of your choosing absolutely, should it be as binding as a marriage sure why not but why do you insist on it being called marriage. Why can’t you be happy with a civil union which affords the same rights with the exception of the word marriage….you don’t want religion yet you want marriage…you want justification and acceptance for gay relationships and that is the problem with religion is that it’s never going to tell you hey it’s OK…..thus all religion is horrible and teaching hatred..I’m not telling you you have to join my church or become a mormon, or to even think or believe as I do, yet that’s what you expect from me. You want me to say it’s OK, you want acceptance yet you aren’t willing to give any to others who don’t think as you do.
You are also taking one issue that the members of the church have taken a stance on, which is the sanctity of marriage and deemed that it’s horrible and a cult and that there is nothing good about it, yet if you really took the time to find out you would know of all the wonderful things that the church does in helping people all over the world. Regardless of race, religion, or creed. The church’s humanitariums work is amazing and so far reaching.
As far as the church being racist….I beg to differ, I fully understand what the church went through in the early days….I understand fully why certain things we not allowed at certain times. The early church members experienced the same kind of intolerance and hatred that you experience today because of who you are and what YOU believe, many where killed for what they BELIEVED in, brutally attacked and treated with a mob mentality. I can understand the recoarse that would of insued had in the early days they afforded African American men the same rights and priveleges as a white man….it would of just increased the mob mentality at that time. You acuse the church of being racist yet the church was against slavery from the beginning….and if you did your research you would realize that.I mean really, you judge the church for something that was a total problem with all of society at that time, the members where at least against slavery and bondage! I choose to believe that there is a time and place for everything, and in order for Gods work to move forward it had to be the way it was.
I am not some mindless sheep either. I think and I ponder situations out, I will say that the whole issue with prop 8 gave me a lot of things to think about. It has spawned a lot of controversy and I truly believe that it boils down to respecting others rights to believe how they want to…I am not against Civil Unions but I am against anything that goes against the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman. Those that go against it are a dying race after all procreation only happens when a man and a woman come together in a sexual relationship, it’s how God intended it to be, but that is only what I believe. Is that why you want religion taken away? because it teaches that? Think about this….because I also believe in fate too. I think things happen for a reason and that my stumbling across your site while looking for the song “snow snow beautiful snow” wasn’t just a coincidence……if nothing else maybe we can’t respectfully agree to disagree. Maybe I can help you to understand my beliefs a little better and I can come to a better understanding of your trials. I do admit that I feel that there is much misunderstand and a lack of love. I don’t profess to understand or know what you go through and the difficulties you’ve faced in life. I’ve always believed that a normal hetrosexual can not understand those who struggle with sexual identity or sexuality, and that sex in general or talking about it is taboo, so it doesn’t help to bridge the gap. I do know because I have friends who are gay that the love they share is just as deep and special as the love I share with my husband and I can respect that and acknowledge that while still maintaining my religious beliefs. As I teach my children, it doesn’t matter what or how others live. God isn’t going to judge you on the merits of others, or the choices they make, He’s only going to judge you on you and your choices and actions, and I think the first and most important thing he’s going to ask is “DID YOU LOVE AS I DID?” because of my religion and beliefs the thing I realize is that we all need GOD. There isn’t one person out there who doesn’t stand in need of what Christ did, and what Christ did was out of LOVE for everyone of us.
The Sanctity of marriage? If you had any interest at all about protecting the “sanctity of marriage”, then why is it that you allow Britney Spears to have her 48-hour just for fun marriage? Why is it that we raffle off weddings and marriages on game shows and arrange marriages in some religions and cultures? Were Christians protecting the “Sanctity of Marriage” thirty years ago when they were trying to bar people from marrying someone of a different race? Sure, the fight is to “protect” marriage from homosexuals now but would you have chosen to “protect” marriage from those “crazy” people who wanted to marry someone of a different colour of skin thirty years ago?
Yes, I am angry but that is because when you vote to ban me from marrying someone that I love, you immediately start shoving your beliefs down my throat, disrespecting my beliefs all together. That’s what the Mormon church is all about with their homophobic actions coming out of the desert, that’s what the Christian religion is all about. They cannot respect other’s rights and freedoms, which is why they try to force their beliefs on to us. Yes, that does make me angry, it makes me very angry when someone tries to shove their beliefs down my throat, especially when they are homophobic and historically racist. When you say that marriage should be only between a man and a woman and use any sort of fairy tale (the Bible, Book of Mormon, the Avesta, Koran, etc) to justify it, you rob me of my religious freedom. I not only have the freedom of religion but I have freedom from religion and that is a beautiful thing.
I do still believe that religion should be done away with but that does not mean that marriage will be done away with. Marriage is a big issue but it’s not a religious issue to everyone, as there are many people who do not believe and some people who have religions that do not offer services or ceremonies for the rite of marriage. However, these people are still able to get married civilly, even if they are of a religion that I stated just now (i.e. Shinto, Buddhism). In Japan, marriage is solely a civil issue in the eyes of the government and no officiant is required to provide the rite like they are here in the United States.
Why can’t I be happy with a civil union… Because it does not have the cultural connotations of marriage and because it is the Christian’s way of having there be segregation, even in this day. It is like asking “why can’t a black person be happy with the black water fountain?” or “why can’t a black person be happy with black lavatories?”. When you say that you indicate your SUPPORT of segregation in our government, that shows that you do not care about the rights of others and their ability to obtain the “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” as defined in the Constitution of the United States.
I do believe religion is going to back paddle on it’s hatred of gay people just like it back paddled on it’s denial of interracial couple’s Constitutional rights to marry. I do believe that once the people see that when they allow gay marriage, that our country is made a much safer and more equal place, that the Christian denominations will be revealed for their hate much like the Ku Klux Klan is today. The Ku Klux Klan is a Christian group and they follow the Bible closer than any other group that I know of. This is proof of why Christianity should be abolished, because it inspires the worst in people and the worst in our society.
What I expect of you, as an American who is living in post-MLK days and the post-Jim Crow laws days to think for yourself and think about the marriage issue, seriously. Don’t let the church think for you, think for yourself and investigate the claims honestly before you start denying people their rights that you treat so cavalierly. You are right about this though, I want acceptance for equal rights but I do not want acceptance for groups that would try to take those rights away from others. I do not accept the Mormon church just as I do not accept Westboro Baptist Church or the Southern Baptist Convention or the Ku Klux Klan. I do not support the Nazi Party either even though they operate on “Christian values”.
The church has been racist and they could have chosen the path of enlightenment and knowledge but instead, they chose the path of racism by saying that black people were the servants of Satan. That if a black person is sufficiently righteous, he can become white (i.e. Michael Jackson). You cannot try to justify racism to me, Debbie.
If you have gay friends, Debbie, you must be doing a grave disservice to them by denying them equal rights. You must be showing them how much you hate them by denying them the right that you and your husband most assuredly take for granted. You have gay friends, yet you elect to not take that into consideration when you vote – you do not think of their rights and their trials because of what you are endorsing, essentially mandatory discrimination against gay and lesbian couples. I would never do anything like that to my friends and loved ones. Of course, that is likely because I know what love is.
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